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Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 434	Posted - 2012.10.22 10:53:00 - [1] - Quote McDonalds. I've been to this franchise all over the planet and pretty much it is the same. Unless you are in some crap hole that only serves a Big Felafel Meal Deal you could be in the same McDonalds pretty much anywhere. Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing. Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same. With some minor distribution aside anything relevant and meaningfully in the game is on everyone's doorstep. Need a particular item? It's likely to be right where you need it or a few jumps to Jita. The mechanics are challenge-less. Anything you will want to quickly do is just a training queue away. Choices are meaningless. The question is only how many diminishing returns you want to invest your time in. Combat should be dynamic, but you have pretty much all the pieces on the board when you get there. Once the archetypal fits are known, the outcome is a close second. Why the CCP obsessive compulsiveness with balance? Where is the chaos? Where is the choice? Some examplesGÇª Billions of people in the known universe and there is no innovation - Why does every ship have to be so uniform with minor tweaking of accepted fits? Why donGÇÖt they all have subsystems to foster innovation? Or even the ability to re-assign slots? Systems strewn across the galaxy and there is no randomness of space GÇô Why are resources effectively equal? Why arenGÇÖt some other parts of the galaxy more ore rich? Why not some with ice? Why has scarcity not invigorated trade or warfare? Where is the specialisation? - Why is everyone equally good at refining? Why is everyone equally good at manufacturing? A dynamic universe is a healthy universe. I see thousands of worlds where people are running numbers at the margins like ten thousand others. The few who have found a way to differentiate or who can meta game are Kings. I say, we should unleash the chaos and if required the madness. CCP - pour in the sand. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 435	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:06:00 - [2] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit. For example, giving me your stuff. No friend, my homogeneous stuff is mine. Alice Saki wrote: 0/10 Make a new alt, Known troll :P I don't post with "alts" this is me. Trolling? A harsh claim. Maybe you like the conformity factory that EVE currently is. I however dream of greater things. If that is "trolling" in your book, going against conformity then so be it. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 435	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:07:00 - [3] - Quote Ravnik wrote: In the time it took you to write that load of garbage, you could have found yourself a new game to play..... I drank a beer, does that count? WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 435	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:13:00 - [4] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 435	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:17:00 - [5] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Graic Gabtar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. lol Smart Ass... Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic. I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself. CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 435	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:28:00 - [6] - Quote baltec1 wrote: How is having one or two viable ships better than dosens? Balance gives us more choice not less... Which ones are viable? All the ships with insane amounts of configurations against who knows what opposition. That's randomness and chaos. Maybe your FoTW fit will prevail, maybe it won't You telling me if you had a Hurricane with subsystems, rigs, and tweakable slots you have less choice? Balance gives you less risk. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 444	Posted - 2012.10.23 01:49:00 - [7] - Quote I'm surprised by the amount of people who gladly accept the banal, but that is their choice I guess. Say no to chaos, enjoy uniformity. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 451	Posted - 2012.10.23 07:14:00 - [8] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: "EVE is boring and it is sucky." So says the op. So I ask then why are you still here? I do not play games I consider boring and sucky. I vote with my feet. In fact I do not even buy a game that I consider boring and sucky. And EVE is not free. Who ever said I played the game? WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 479	Posted - 2012.10.25 07:38:00 - [9] - Quote Ryhss wrote: OP doesn't undand Eve. In hia example everyone can refine equally well. So, the character with level 1 refining gets the same results as the guy with level 5 refining? Innovation is not the same. Minmatar use bullets, Amarr use lasers. There's plenty more but I don't like to type. Have a re-read of my original post, anyone can train from I-IV easily. Level V is a serious case of diminishing returns at the margins. Not much of a choice going for the extra 2%. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 480	Posted - 2012.10.25 08:14:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: So I read through your post and okay, you have your opinion, which is cool and lets us know how you feel about the game. Maybe EVE just isn't the game for you, or maybe you'll warm to it in time if you stick with it through tough learning times, who knows? In the same respect, we have a forum that's dedicated to discussing player thought out features and ideas that they feel would make the game better. With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum. We value player feedback and involvement massively, hence having the CSM and a forum dedicated to helping you to help us make the game more awesome. Why not check it out and show off some of your ideas there? Firstly, thank you for replying to my post. Your response lacks a certain banality compared to the efforts of your co-workers and ISD forum alts. For that I am appreciative. Secondly, my OP is a post, not a rant. I am making an attempt at genuine discussion. If I wanted to rant my OP would contain a large proportion of "". Calling something a "rant" because it doesn't toe the party line is right up there with the current trend of CCP and their employ calling anything disagreeable "Slander" or "Rumour-Mongering". It would be laughable if is wasn't continually used as a mechanism to stifle discussion. Thirdly, Are you suggesting I leave? I've been playing since 2007. I've done drunk hi-sec, drunk low-Sec, drunk null, drunk piracy, drunk mining, bored carebearing and terribly drunk missioner - take your pick. I'm fairly warmed to the game funnily enough. Finally, I'd love to share some ideas as there are literally tens of thousands of players out there more experienced than myself with arguably more brain cells clanging together to come up with useful suggestions. CCP like all other half decent game developers know it's smart to ignore the scatter gun of suggestions that they always receive so I would prefer to have a discussion to see if someone could unearth a real gem. Unfortunately, that will probably not happen as anyone suggesting a departure from the status quo for good or bad is personally attacked here. As for the CSM they seem to be more interested in gerrymandering than the game at the moment. Once again, thank you for your reply. Fly safe! WARNING:* The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.

Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 480	Posted - 2012.10.25 08:20:00 - [11] - Quote Azumi Zimu wrote: ** * blue what the ** are you *** the ** come at me and say some like that *** ** Yes, that would be a rant. WARNING:** The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 480	Posted - 2012.10.25 08:31:00 - [12] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: It is still a choice. It might also be worth remembering that balancing has been going on in EVE for almost ten years. As of yet the players and servers have not detonated into a molten puddle of fail and the world has not ended. You started this thread based on a misunderstanding of the basics of what balancing means in a system as complex as EVE. Then you expanded upon that lack of understanding until you finished typing out your original post. I really don't agree with that. I'm discussing that Cutter Isaacson wrote: Having an opinion is great, everyone has one, but expecting other people to understand your opinion and even to agree with it is a little far fetched when you didn't even bother to understand what it is you are complaining about. Balancing does not equal a lack of choice, it provides more choices by increasing the number of viable options available in any given situation. Balancing is what gets rid of FOTM's, it's what causes fleet doctrines to change once in awhile. So unless you REALLY like incessant blob warfare with people just using 500 Drakes, I'd say you need to be more concerned with HOW the balancing is done, and worry less about the fact that it IS done. I'm happy for anyone to have an opinion. I feel I understand exactly what I am talking about. People seem to regard balance as only a ship issue. I am talking more about the nature of the EVE universe not being totally uniform. Where you go in the known universe should shape your experience, and not just a choice of the security space. I believe that true chaos with ships and modules would create FOTM trends, but I mean Flavour of the Minute trends. Lots of balanced choices are lots of balanced choices, fair enough but why do we still have slow changing fleet doctrines? It's people people can only prevail at the margins. Maybe people disagree, fine. However, the fact that people on this forum simply play the man and personal attacks are permitted as long as it is in line with the view of CCP it's arguably a pointless discussion. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 480	Posted - 2012.10.25 08:41:00 - [13] - Quote Myfanwy Heimdal wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Why do people who don't like EVE keep playing EVE. Seems masochistic to me. Perhaps for the same reason he goes to McEateries all over the world and complains that it's all the same. The reason why droids go to these places is that they are all the same. What's the point of going abroad where there's different foods, different cooking methods to discover and, hopefully, enjoy when all that one does is have the same semi-predigested mush? I think that the Original Poster needs to consider that if he doens't have the imagination but to constantly eat at McGenericPapFoods then he may not have the required imagation to discover a niche in the sandbox. Yes well, as you know all analogies fall down in the end and it's by analogy analysis you have decided to judge me in real life. And in this form the personal attack is that I lack imagination in life and hence to prosper in EVE because one of my habits is to try a Big Mac in every country I go to. I also take a photo of every Starbucks I see, bit that is besides the point. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.

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